, unless we educate, organize, and take these guys on. >> how do you explain as an experienced politician, the fact that despite the republican convention and the democratic convention and all that's happened, we have a country that's divided 45% to 45%, maybe 46% to 46%, with about 3% to 5% of the voters undecided? and most of the experts say that's where the -- that's where the election will be decided with 3% to 5%. how do you explain that close division? >> okay, i look at it a little bit differently. this is what i think. i think we know where the republicans are. the republican party over a period of years has moved from what we call a center-right party. and we used to have governors and senators coming from vermont, who were republicans. but you know what? they were sane human beings that actually were concerned about education, the environment, more conservative than you and me. they weren't crazies. the party has now moved to the extreme right, all right? that's the republican party. the problem is the democratic party, if you go out, it is beyond my mind, bill, that you have a